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BTW, ton Mark McCubin pws den ton egdaran zwntano? Kai giati ta paixnidia ths reflections htan unplayable crap? Den tous emenan cpu cycles gia game logic? Edw sto vcs emene kai to 90% ths cpu htan gia na zwgrafizei thn othonh ffs.

@aposperitis:
exeis dikio file mou. o ka8enas exei th gnwmh tou kai se paradexomai oson afora to post sou.

@CTT:

Den tous emenan cpu cycles gia game logic

hahaha!!!! magos eisai? ofeilw na se paradextw kai sena! mhpws 8umasai to 1o beast sta posa fps (_karfwmeno_ parakalw) etrexe? opws katalabaineis den mporeis na ta exeis ola! an deis ti hackies ekanan 8a ta pai3eis! omws, to kalo me thn amiga (kai ta custom chips genika) htan h dma (me thn eureia ennoia) logikh. alla to problhma htan h ai (ta beast, eidika to prwto, den eixan sthn ousia ai. ta colisions htan allh istoria, mias kai ta sprites htan accelerated). pantws, apo ta projects pou summeteixa, to ligotero zori htan to ballistix (to prwto pou douleya). ekei omws ti na to kaneis (an 8umamai h ai htan apla linear interpolations (me integers omws, mhn 3exniomaste!)). bebaia, oloi nomizw 3eroun oti ta paixnidia ths gnosis mexri to agony htan sthn ousia unplayable!
epishs, sto 1o beast, kapoia sprites apo oti eixa katalabei ta eixan "daneistei" apo allous titlous (mhn 3exnas oti h gnosis mporei na htan o publisher, alla tote oi publishers eixan kai kapoia emplokh (me thn ennoia ths boh8eias, oxi tou mastigwmatos) me to project). sxedia (box-art, ton titlo kai th loading screen) ta eixe kanei o roger dean (ekane arketh artwork gia th gnosis/psyclapse).

auto omws pou otan eida epa8a plaka htan ta grafika (statika) gia to perihelion! tote mou fainontan o,ti pio prohgmeno eixa dei (de 8umamai re file poios ta eixe kanei). oloi omws ta koitazame (otan htan se development o titlos) me stoma anoixto.

kai mias kai eipame gia hackies pio panw, na sou pw oti ta megala kolpa (me _olh_ thn ennoia ths le3hs) ginontan stous 8-bitous. ekei file pisteye me, den mporesa pote na tous piasw sto nohma tous tupous. ekanan wraia kolpa. allages analushs sto idio frame (ston 6128 to panw para8uro me th drash htan se allh analush apo to katw pou eixe tis endei3eis gia score/zwes ktl), mousikh pou ekmetalleuotan kai glitches tou sound (o 8eos na to kanei sound) chip ktl. 8umamai oti gia na kanoun omalo to scrolling tou blood money ston c64 zoristhkan.
kai sthn amiga omws oi "patenties" edinan kai epairnan (apla 8umisou to octamed me ta 8 kanalia pou epaizan se mhxanhma me 4kanalo chip)...

ton Mark McCubin pws den ton egdaran zwntano

eee, edw eisai dikaios kata to hmisu: to conversion htan xali, omws den eu8unotan h reflections gia ton mccubin... kai mh mou peis oti sou arese kapoio conversion apo auta pou eginan gia to beast. mono h original version gia amiga esperne (pantws egw aplws kapoies mikres boh8htikes routines sthn amiga eixa grayei kai den 3erw an tis xrhsimopoihsan telika gia th reflections se ekeino to project).

Edw sto vcs emene kai to 90% ths cpu htan gia na zwgrafizei thn othonh ffs

re file sorry edw de se pianw (vcs, ffs? ennoeis to atari? an nai, den 3erw kan ti epaize me ton programmatismo tou)

magkes, sorry, exw karabgei off-topic... tespa, plaka exoun kai oi anamnhseis! may the source be with you!

poutsoklis -- there are 10 kinds of people - those who understand binary and those who don't

hahaha!!!! magos eisai? ofeilw na se paradextw kai sena! mhpws 8umasai to 1o beast sta posa fps (_karfwmeno_ parakalw) etrexe?

1vbl sthn amiga iirc. Pantws ki ekei to paixnidi einai crap. Kai sto katw katw an thelw na dw paiksw ena demo paizw to main menu tou Dark side of the spoon.

katalabaineis den mporeis na ta exeis ola! an deis ti hackies ekanan 8a ta pai3eis! omws, to kalo me thn amiga (kai ta custom chips genika) htan h dma (me thn eureia ennoia) logikh.

Koita, apla tha anaferw thn sales curve:
SWIV
Saint Dragon

-Interrupt loading
-Interrupt Unpacking
-Interrupt ola
Kai to gameplay DEN stamataei.. Oxi otan fortwnoume mia mayrh othonh kai enas scroller.

kai sthn amiga omws oi "patenties" edinan kai epairnan (apla 8umisou to octamed me ta 8 kanalia pou epaizan se mhxanhma me 4kanalo chip)...

Den mou leei kati. Ston STE to idio apotelesma me 2 kanalia stereo hxoy.

eee, edw eisai dikaios kata to hmisu: to conversion htan xali, omws den eu8unotan h reflections gia ton mccubin... kai mh mou peis oti sou arese kapoio conversion apo auta pou eginan gia to beast. mono h original version gia amiga esperne

Paikse thn ekdosh tou Lynx. Oson afora gia ton mccubin phre ena unplayable crap kai to ekane xeirotero. Kati pou einai dyskolo na katafereis. Kai mh mou peis oti den mporouse na ginei ston ST, des to Enchanted land ths Thalion. 1 vbl, fine sync scrolling, parallax scrolling etc etc.

Pantws ki ekei to paixnidi einai crap.

d'accord. de diafwnw. san paixnidia (ta 2 prwta beast) htan crap gameplaywise, alla san demo, gia mena htan fobera!!

-Interrupt loading
-Interrupt Unpacking
-Interrupt ola
Kai to gameplay DEN stamataei.. Oxi otan fortwnoume mia mayrh othonh kai enas scroller.

ee? isws den katalabainw egw kala (elpizw dhladh na mhn ennoeis auto pou isws pisteuw (eidika lambanontas up' oyin thn apousia framebuffer kai na prospa8eis na ta strimw3eis sto vblank xrono)). pantws, 8a me endiefere _polu_ na mou e3hghseis ton tropo ths sci (ola me interrupts tou 68k dhladh, xwris na grafeis se registers twn custom chips (KAI eidika ston blitter!)). kai an nomizeis oti paraeimaste off-topic mporeis na mou apanthseis sto mail poutsoklis [papaki_stroggulofanaro] hotmail [teleia] com

Den mou leei kati. Ston STE to idio apotelesma me 2 kanalia stereo hxoy.
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de sou eipa oti o atari den to ekane auto (oi atari users mou fainetai oti apo panta eisaste euere8istoi!). gia hacking se home computers sou eipa. a, na sou pw oti gia ton atari den eixa grayei kai polla pragmata. eixa apla suneisferei se C kwdika gia kapoia tool-akia.

Kai mh mou peis oti den mporouse na ginei ston ST, des to Enchanted land ths Thalion

koita gousta einai auta. egw protimw to beast esu to el gia crappy demo. pantws proswpika pisteuw oti den mporouse na ginei ston st opws to ennoeis, alla den mporw na isxuristw oti 3erw perissotera apo oti esu.

Syncro code ston 6502 kai screen kernel.

endiaferon to link - to koita3a. pantws 8a me endiefere (apo programmatistikhs apoyhs) na mou peis perissotera kai gia auto. den eimai guru oute kan 8ewrw ton eauto mou "ftasmeno" programmatisth, omws mou aresei na ma8ainw pragmata. h douleia mou twra einai programmatisths se etaireia me POS mhxanes, omws panta mou aresan oi "dirty" hackies (kai as stamathsa ton assembler gia to opengl (ennoeitai oti twra de douleuw kati apo auta sth douleia. apo tote pou hr8a se epafh me to gl omws, to erwteuthka)).

Kai btw VCS -> Atari800 -> Amiga. H idia omada htan

edw 8a diafwnisw. den htan akribws h idia omada. kapoia melh nai, o project leader nai, oxi omws kai h _idia_ omada (p.x. o sassenrath (gia to leitourgiko)). bebaia kai edw den mporw na pw oti 3erw perissotera apo sena kai mporei na kanw la8os...

poutsoklis -- there are 10 kinds of people - those who understand binary and those who don't

d'accord. de diafwnw. san paixnidia (ta 2 prwta beast) htan crap gameplaywise, alla san demo, gia mena htan fobera!!

Exw dei poly kalytera demo. Toso se ST oso kai se amiga (kai c64 kai a8).

ee? isws den katalabainw egw kala (elpizw dhladh na mhn ennoeis auto pou isws pisteuw (eidika lambanontas up' oyin thn apousia framebuffer kai na prospa8eis na ta strimw3eis sto vblank xrono)). pantws, 8a me endiefere _polu_ na mou e3hghseis ton tropo ths sci (ola me interrupts tou 68k dhladh, xwris na grafeis se registers twn custom chips (KAI eidika ston blitter!)).

Den yparxei mono h vbi . Epipleon einai poly kako na xrhsimopoieis thn vbl ws interrupt. Fantasoy ti ginetai an pas na trekseis to paixnidi se NTSC. Polles etairies ekanan to lathos na thn xrhsimopoioun etsi kai to apotelesma einai sta 60Hz na exeis pio grhgora ta paixnidia (oxi se framerate) kai lanthasmeno music replay. Mporeis na xrhsimopoihseis kapoion timer px.

de sou eipa oti o atari den to ekane auto (oi atari users mou fainetai oti apo panta eisaste euere8istoi!). gia hacking se home computers sou eipa. a, na sou pw oti gia ton atari den eixa grayei kai polla pragmata. eixa apla suneisferei se C kwdika gia kapoia tool-akia.

Den eipa kati tetoio, apla oti den me entypwsiazei to na paikseis 8 kanalia hxou.

koita gousta einai auta. egw protimw to beast esu to el gia crappy demo. pantws proswpika pisteuw oti den mporouse na ginei ston st opws to ennoeis, alla den mporw na isxuristw oti 3erw perissotera apo oti esu.

Endexomenws oxi. Pantws to SOTB ston ST einai yperbolika athlio. Tha mporousan na to eixan kanei kalytero. An kai kat eme kalytera na mhn to evgazan. Opws proeipa... unplayable crap.

endiaferon to link - to koita3a. pantws 8a me endiefere (apo programmatistikhs apoyhs) na mou peis perissotera kai gia auto. den eimai guru oute kan 8ewrw ton eauto mou "ftasmeno" programmatisth, omws mou aresei na ma8ainw pragmata. h douleia mou twra einai programmatisths se etaireia me POS mhxanes, omws panta mou aresan oi "dirty" hackies (kai as stamathsa ton assembler gia to opengl (ennoeitai oti twra de douleuw kati apo auta sth douleia. apo tote pou hr8a se epafh me to gl omws, to erwteuthka)).

VCS coding? Too much for me. To afhnw stous Trilobit. \o/

edw 8a diafwnisw. den htan akribws h idia omada. kapoia melh nai, o project leader nai, oxi omws kai h _idia_ omada (p.x. o sassenrath (gia to leitourgiko)). bebaia kai edw den mporw na pw oti 3erw perissotera apo sena kai mporei na kanw la8os...

Sigoura oxi akrivws h idia, alla an deis ta dyo mhxanhmata katalavaineis tis omoiothtes. Antic lists, player missiles etc etc

Den yparxei mono h vbi. Epipleon einai poly kako na xrhsimopoieis thn vbl ws interrupt. Fantasoy ti ginetai an pas na trekseis to paixnidi se NTSC. Polles etairies ekanan to lathos na thn xrhsimopoioun etsi kai to apotelesma einai sta 60Hz na exeis pio grhgora ta paixnidia (oxi se framerate) kai lanthasmeno music replay. Mporeis na xrhsimopoihseis kapoion timer px.

nai bre, auta einai gnwsta (prose3e: se ntsc an ekanes to la8os pou aneferes ta paixnidia htan pio grhgora se framerate). omws de mou apantas se auto pou se rwthsa (kai pseudo-code akoma mou kanei):

8a me endiefere _polu_ na mou e3hghseis ton tropo ths sci (ola me interrupts tou 68k dhladh

Tha mporousan na to eixan kanei kalytero. An kai kat eme kalytera na mhn to evgazan.

gia na eimai kai eilikrinhs (kai an de me apata h mnhmh mou), de 8umamai kapoio conversion ths gnosis na htan kalutero apo th version ths amiga. sou milaw gia mexri kai to 1995 peripou (...kai mh mou peis gia lemmings!). [asxeto, omws to paixnidi pou eixa erwteu8ei (kai pote den mporesa na 3eperasw), oso kai an sou fanei asteio, htan to sotb3. mporei se atmosfaira na upoleipotan tou sotb2 (o,ti pio atmosfairiko exw pai3ei pote, to sugkrinw mono me to pop:warrior within), alla gia mena htan "ma8hma" sto game design kai sto implementation mias ideas.]

Sigoura oxi akrivws h idia, alla an deis ta dyo mhxanhmata katalavaineis tis omoiothtes. Antic lists, player missiles etc etc

to 8ewrw ligo astoxo sxolio. 8a sou pw to e3hs: to hardware sth gennia twn home computers eixe genika omoiothtes. den 3erw ti arxitektonikh eixe h atari stis prwtes konsoles ths. omws, h tash ths epoxhs htan na exeis mia cpu, ena graphics chip, ena sound chip, th ram kai controllers gia i/o kai expansion. to leitourgiko htan se rom kai apo kei kai pera o,ti h8ele na balei o ekastote kataskeuasths (opws htan to fat agnus chip ths amiga gia dma). p.x. an koita3eis tous 8-bitous 8a deis oti oloi eixan gia cpu ton z80.
epishs, oloi eixan tropous gia texnikes blitting kai oloi eixan accelerated sprites. de ginotan alliws tote (den eixes framebuffer 'h toso dunato chipset gfx). apla ston atari ta legate antic list (to chip), player missile (eleos, 8a mporouses na grayeis sprite!), alloi ta elegan alliws. na sou to pw kai me alla logia: otan sto directdraw 'h sto sdl blittareis mia 2d draw surface, panw/katw idia texnikh den einai?

paromoia, an deis shmera tis konsoles (ta koutia pou koro'i'deuoun tous agorastes tous kai sto mono pou xrhsimeuoun einai na tous "kleidwnoun" kai na konomane oi managareoi tous), 8a deis oti exoun idia sxedon arxitektonikh (kai POLU konta se auth tou pc, mias kai ta conversions prepei na ginontai tsak-mpam. mh masas ta paramu8ia pou akous apo etaireies, to developing PANTA ginetai se pc pia!), me mia mikrh e3airesh to ps3 (to opoio gia mena einai polu mprosta oson afora thn arxitektonikh. bluray, hd ktl ta 8ewrw xazomares gia tous asxetous m#####s pou pane kai ta skane sthn ka8e sony -- auto tous a3izei allwste. asxeto (pali), an hmoun sth 8esh ths sony, 8a ebgaza ps3.5 me 3 bdroms (asxeta an 8a xrhsimopoieitai mono to 1 - 8a elega ws sony oti exw poulhsei megalo ari8mo bdroms (bullshit-disk roms that is!)), 8a to ebaza 2plh timh, 8a ekoba ta upoloipa ps3 kai 8a perimena tous m#####s na mou ta skasoun. fate hd blhta!).

poutsoklis -- there are 10 kinds of people - those who understand binary and those who don't

Lepon:

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C64 ->6502
Atari800 ->6502
Apple II -> 6502

sorry, isws egw den hmoun arketa safhs 'h pali isws den katalaba (paradexomai to oti eimai argostrofos):

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undraw/draw stuff
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sth mainloop 8elw na mou peis pws 8a ginoun auta pou les (prose3e: den einai la8os) mono me interrupts tou 68000.

Oson afora stis konsoles arkei na anaferthw stis ekswfthalmes diafores metaksy PowerPC kai X86

se medium/high level glwssa ennoeis? afou o compiler 8a to analabei... akoma kai oi giotades ths m$ exoun bgalei to xna pou gia ton programmatisth einai idio eite to ena eite to allo. DIEUKRINHSH: den exw programmatisei gia xbox oute exw xrhsimopoihsei xna. mporeis kallista na me apokaleseis asxeto kai oti grafw mparoufes xwris na 3erw epi tou 8ematos.

arxitektonika (se epipedo hw ulopoihshs ths cpu) uparxoun diafores (ppc/x86). alla, genika exeis pali 3exwristo gfx chip, sound chip, dedicated buses (oloi einai "paidia" tou von neumann allwste!). omws, gia ton application programmer (se real-time efarmogh, alla kai genika) auto pou metraei einai o ari8mos twn threads (kai an h efarmogh trexei se enan 'h perissoterous purhnes. legontas efarmogh ennow kapoio programma pou trexei eite se cpu eite se gpu eite se ppu eite se allo dsp eite allou (e3 ou kai o ari8mos twn cpu/gpu etc cores)). opws gnwrizeis, an h efarmogh einai multithreaded exei entelws diaforetiko coding tropo apo singlethreaded. epishs, sto ps3 prepei na labeis up' oyin kai alles parametrous gia tis spus tou cell (mikrh cache (stis alles arxitektonikes olo to zoumi einai na mhn exeis cache-misses kai la8h sto branch prediction, edw einai pio brute-force proseggish), grhgora buses) kai (opws kai se ka8e mhxanhma) "tertipia" tou hw "paketou".

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C64 ->6502
Atari800 ->6502
Apple II -> 6502

exeis dikio. eipa blakeia gia ton z80. omws, tapeina na epishmanw oti arxitektonika exw thn proswpikh apoyh oti to hardware htan arketa konta (omoiws kai gia epomenes gennies). auto (eidika twra) ginetai opws eipa kai pio panw gia 8emata conversion. asxeto: ofeilw na paradextw tis gnwseis sou se tetoiou eidous 8emata...

poutsoklis -- there are 10 kinds of people - those who understand binary and those who don't

Ayto pou sou edeiksa einai to multithreading tou 68K. Se shmerinous orous kathe loop einai ena thread kai den yparxei mia kyria loop mesa sthn opoia ginontai ola.

Back to consoles. O tropos pou tha programmatiseis to xbox einai diaforetikos apo ayton pou tha programmatiseis to pc. Den mporeis na mhn laveis ypopsin sou to RISC tou PowerPC h thn endianess. Anyway den exw kanei katholou